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Blackfield IV
03. Jan 2012 at 16:26
 
From SW's Facebook page:
 
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Folks, just to clarify news elsewhere of a new Blackfield album coming this year - please note that this time my involvement will be as a contributor rather than a member. I will still be mixing the album, and maybe sing on a couple of Aviv's songs (there will be other guest singers I understand), but with my complete blessing Blackfield is now under his sole curatorship, a process which really began with Welcome to My DNA.

 
Interesting news...
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Reply #1 - 03. Jan 2012 at 16:44
 
Interesting indeed...
 
I can't really blame Aviv at all. To me it was clear from the beginning Aviv wanted to make Blackfield something big, and SW just wasn't able to commit enough time into it. I thought WTMDNA was fantastic, so I have high hopes for BF4.
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Reply #2 - 03. Jan 2012 at 16:54
 
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"Let me clarify : all forthcoming Steven Wilson solo records will see me featured as a contributor only. I selected several jazz musicians and let them play whatever they wanted together while I recorded the whole thing. I will add vocals as a guest on "Raider 4", and will create the surround mixes - well at least the first one. My collaboration album with Mickey needs all of my time now, so with my complete blessing all Steven Wilson music is now under Lasse Hoile's curatorship."
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Reply #3 - 03. Jan 2012 at 16:57
 
That's great news! No more wasting time with Blackfield.
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Reply #4 - 03. Jan 2012 at 17:12
 
For me, if it's not a real collaborative effort then it's not really Blackfield anymore. Though I liked the DNA album it's certainly was not as good as the first two (I think the songs did come across better live where they had a bit more punch) and his decreased involvement in the record really showed. Aviv writes some really good stuff so I'm not writing off the whole project, but it'll be a little different for sure and when more details of the "guest singers" is known maybe things will get interesting.
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Reply #5 - 03. Jan 2012 at 17:21
 
Thank god. Blackfield has, to me, always been the least interesting project Steven has been involved with, so stepping back and not using that much time on it anymore is good news. At least to me.
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Reply #6 - 03. Jan 2012 at 17:30
 
Quote from Stone on 03. Jan 2012 at 16:54:
"Let me clarify : all forthcoming Steven Wilson solo records will see me featured as a contributor only. I selected several jazz musicians and let them play whatever they wanted together while I recorded the whole thing. I will add vocals as a guest on "Raider 4", and will create the surround mixes - well at least the first one. My collaboration album with Mickey needs all of my time now, so with my complete blessing all Steven Wilson music is now under Lasse Hoile's curatorship."
 
 
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Reply #7 - 03. Jan 2012 at 17:44
 
I see there has already been a fair bit of dismissal on SW's official Facebook page.  I'm prepared to give it the benefit of the doubt.  SW is still a contributor, so I'm sure his distinctive mark will be on it.
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Reply #8 - 03. Jan 2012 at 18:14
 
I'm upset, i actually love Blackfield. I like the simplicity of the songs and the tone of the music.
 
It is disappointing to hear Steven is basically no longer part of Blackfield, I now feel lucky that I saw them live last year. Because who knows if they'll tour again, at least with SW.
 
As others said, without SW its not really Blackfield....
 
I assume Avic approached Steven saying he had a lot of new material and if he was interested in doing an album this year. SW prob told Aviv his pallet was full and to do it himself, but he'd mix it and maybe sing.
 
I hope SW sings on more than a few songs....because without his presence, it definitely isn't Blackfield.
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Reply #9 - 03. Jan 2012 at 18:25
 
Seems like SW is abandoning his projects, one by one! Grin
 
It remains to be seen if PT actually escape this fate...
 
What will that mean for Blackfield? Maybe nothing, maybe lots of things. We still don't know the degree of SW's involvement. I have to say though, that Blackfield was the least favourite of SW's projects. The first record was great, the second was good and the third... well it could have been better.
 
So, this means more free time for SW! Not that he will rest or sth., I'm sure he will find something musically exciting to throw himself into! Wink
 
Edit: Well, since SW is semi-abandoning this project, what's the point of using the name Blackfield, since it's essentially an Aviv Geffen solo effort? Hm...
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Reply #10 - 03. Jan 2012 at 18:38
 
Well, this most probably means the end of Blackfield for me. Without SWs songwriting input that project does nothing for me, if WTMD is a textbook example of what to expect in the future. Too bad. I enjoyed the first two records
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Reply #11 - 03. Jan 2012 at 18:47
 
Quote from papapk on 03. Jan 2012 at 17:21:
Thank god. Blackfield has, to me, always been the least interesting project Steven has been involved with, so stepping back and not using that much time on it anymore is good news. At least to me.

 
 
And to me, as well. Perhaps now there is some light on the No-Man horizon.
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Reply #12 - 03. Jan 2012 at 18:49
 
Quote from Raziel666 on 03. Jan 2012 at 18:25:

Well, since SW is semi-abandoning this project, what's the point of using the name Blackfield, since it's essentially an Aviv Geffen solo effort? Hm...

 
My thoughts exactly. BF was always about SW and Aviv, with Aviv being the main songwriter and SW as the main performer (main singer/guitarist).
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Reply #13 - 03. Jan 2012 at 19:10
 
From what it sounds like, nothing much will change. I mean, let's be honest now, a hefty portion of BF's songs were Aviv's (reworkings of old songs in English or new ones).  
 
If this means more of SW's time spent elsewhere (No-man please!), then even better -- I'll agree with those here who've said BF was their least favorite SW output.
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Reply #14 - 03. Jan 2012 at 19:18
 
The only reason I could see the name Blackfield being kept....is as a favor to Aviv. More albums will be sold that way, rather thank marketing it as a Aviv solo record with guest musicians including SW.
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Reply #15 - 03. Jan 2012 at 19:46
 
Think Blackfield will ship less units without Wilson even if he contributes to the writing and singing. Welcome to my DNA was a bit of a let down but the gig in Manchester was a fantastic concert. Shame. And this news confirms my suspicion that SW is gearing up for a career as a solo artist without the restrictions of "being in a band Sad
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Reply #16 - 03. Jan 2012 at 20:02
 
Well, I can't say I'm disappointed by these news. The first album showed a lot of promise, but I just liked two or three songs on the second one, and none on WTMDNA. In my opinion, this band was a creative dead end for SW. Hopefully, the pop sensibilities will return to PT music now that he is not involved in Blackfield anymore.
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Reply #17 - 03. Jan 2012 at 20:22
 
I would like SW to do a film score.
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Reply #18 - 03. Jan 2012 at 21:08
 
I do like Aviv's songwriting, for the most part. So I'm sure it'll be nice. I liked Welcome to My DNA. It wasn't as good as the first two, but there were some really great songs in there. I wish Aviv was a better lyricist, though, since that tends to be the thing that drags them down. And usually SW's songs are the best on the discs.
 
I wonder if this'll mean PT returns to a more song oriented approach. I don't want SW to abandon those songs. Without Blackfield as an outlet he'll have to do something with them. And, I think I remember an interview saying he wanted to return to the song oriented approach with PT. If something like that happens because of this, then that's cool.
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Reply #19 - 03. Jan 2012 at 21:37
 
Quote from Marty50 on 03. Jan 2012 at 20:22:
I would like SW to do a film score.

 
And he'd love to do one, but as far as I'm aware no one has approached him. He's sadly still under the radar in the film world to be asked to write scores. Look how long it took Trent Reznor to get into this genre...
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Reply #20 - 03. Jan 2012 at 21:46
 
Dissapointed.
I don't feel this should be marketed as Blackfield.
all the negative comments about the end of PT now feel very possible.
I really hope not. Sad
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Reply #21 - 03. Jan 2012 at 23:05
 
Also disappointed as I love Blackfield. Blackfield II was higher than Fear of A Blank Planet for me in 2007. Not saying it's "better" in any way, i just loved that album
 
WDNA was a little disappointing to me and I couldnt help wonder if it was due to SW reduced input, so BF4 you would think would be equally disappointing (in comparrison to the first 2 albums - however in comparrison to a lot of albums out there in general it was still really good IMO)
 
Personally, i would still get the new BF, I have often considered seeking out Aviv's solo material. Whilst I tend to believe SW input was a strong reason for BF strength in material, it was NEVER his input alone, Aviv does write good songs, and its a bit of a shame actually that it appears many people seem perhaps too dismissive that at the very least, a BF album without any SW, might actually be a decent album still.  
 
I guess It really depends if essentially you liked the whole concept of BF and the whole 3 min pop song idealogy. If it was never really your thing, then makes sense you wouldnt have any interest in the project without SW input. Personally I think there is an art to writing a catchy pop song and can be - I stress "can" be as difficult to write successfully as a 20 minute epic prog piece.  
 
I would agree most likely Aviv didnt want to wait a whole cycle of Storm Corrossion and new PT album etc before he got a chance to make another Blackfield, probably asked Steven if they can make another album sooner, and SW just couldnt commit to it.
 
if Steven ends up singing on some tracks I will have to get it. Who knows, SW may return to Blackfield in a greater capacity again one day in the future.
 
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Reply #22 - 03. Jan 2012 at 23:41
 
Quote from Marty50 on 03. Jan 2012 at 20:22:
I would like SW to do a film score.
 
 
I second that wish.  I would drop everything, go to film school, become a writer/director (like James Cameron), produce a film - just to be able to choose SW to score it.   Ahh, fantasies.....
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Reply #23 - 04. Jan 2012 at 00:09
 
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I second that wish. I would drop everything, go to film school, become a writer/director (like James Cameron), produce a film - just to be able to choose SW to score it. Ahh, fantasies.....
 
 
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Reply #24 - 04. Jan 2012 at 03:27
 
Quote from Working_Man on 03. Jan 2012 at 21:46:


I don't feel this should be marketed as Blackfield.
 
 
Not very disappointing as I didn't enjoy BF III as much as the first 2 albums. I guess is time to move on to new projects.
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