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"I Drive the Hearse" Beatles reference?
24. Apr 2010 at 14:34
 
First off, let me say that I am not at all accusing PT of plagarism. Now that's done, did any one else have a massive throw back to the last line of The Beatle's "The End" ("Is Equal to the Love you Make," in case you haven't heard) when Steven does the final "When I'm down I drive the Hearse" in harmony section? It's pretty much the same melody, same harmony, and they're both ending their respective albums. Thoughts/wild connections/conspiracy theories?
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Reply #1 - 24. Apr 2010 at 15:17
 
I certainly see what you're saying! That's interesting, but I'm not sure whether it's an homage or not. It's a great progression for vocal harmonies, thats for sure!
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Reply #2 - 24. Apr 2010 at 15:28
 
It's also the end of a climatic medley of a thematically connected album.  AND the Incident was released just within 15 days of Abbey Roads 40th anniversary!  WOW!  Shocked
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Reply #3 - 24. Apr 2010 at 15:29
 
Quote from dtismajesty on 24. Apr 2010 at 14:34:
Thoughts/wild connections/conspiracy theories?
 
 
I've got one, you're on crack! Grin  
 
 
It is almost impossible to do something musically that doesn't at one point or another sound vaguely familiar to some other song.  
 
It's almost like looking at some fantastic new painting and insinuating that the artist is copying another because they used some of the same colors. Wink
 
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Reply #4 - 24. Apr 2010 at 15:38
 
I hear no similarity at all between the end of The End and I Drive the Hearse, apart from the fact that they have about the same tempo.
 
The only PT song that has ever made me sit up and think "Beatles" is Four Chords That Made a Million, which to me sounds a little like both Taxman and And Your Bird Can Sing, off Revolver.
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I hear no similarity at all between the end of The End and I Drive the Hearse, apart form the fact that they have about the same tempo.

The only PT song that has ever made me sit up and think "Beatles" is Four Chords That Made a Million, which to me sounds a little like both Taxman and And Your Bird Can Sing, off Revolver.

Just that one line!  Listen to "Equal to the love you make" and "When I'm down I drive the hearse (the last one)" it's at least the same melody and harmony, the Incident was released practically on the 40th anniversary of Abbey Road, they are both the climatic enders to their albums, the Beatles are one of Steven's favorite bands, tell me there's not a chance that Steven was putting a little tribute in there!
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Reply #6 - 24. Apr 2010 at 17:06
 
Quote from dtismajesty on 24. Apr 2010 at 15:59:
tell me there's not a chance that Steven was putting a little tribute in there!
 
 
 
I bet it's John Lennon channeling through SW? Roll Eyes Grin Wink
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Reply #7 - 24. Apr 2010 at 17:17
 
Considering Steven's affectations (length of hair, glasses), songwriting ability, and documented collaboration with Yoko Ono, it's a wonder we have not yet been subjected to "John's not dead" conspiracy theories.
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Reply #8 - 24. Apr 2010 at 18:40
 
Quote from bob_32_116 on 24. Apr 2010 at 15:38:
I hear no similarity at all between the end of The End and I Drive the Hearse, apart form the fact that they have about the same tempo.

 
Nor do I.  
I know what do you mean but the difference is subtle.
 
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it's a wonder we have not yet been subjected to "John's not dead" conspiracy theories.
 
 
I always find Steven's look very look like Geddy Lee & John Lennon.
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Reply #9 - 27. Apr 2010 at 04:36
 
Yeah, weird that. I was thinking Wilson looks kind of like both Geddy Lee and John Lennon.
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Reply #10 - 27. Apr 2010 at 04:44
 
Some days ago I was listening Stupid Dream album, and theres a line on slave called shiver saying "I have more followers than jesus christ", It reminded me a lot a Lennon's interview back in 1966 Smiley
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Reply #11 - 27. Apr 2010 at 06:30
 
Quote from Rodrigo on 27. Apr 2010 at 04:44:
Some days ago I was listening Stupid Dream album, and theres a line on slave called shiver saying "I have more followers than jesus christ", It reminded me a lot a Lennon's interview back in 1966 Smiley

 
Not to be picky, but I believe it's actually "I'll have more followers ..." which gives a somewhat different meaning.
 
I always understood that lyric as a tongue-in-cheek prediction that someday Steven Wilson and/or Porcupine Tree would be as popular as The Beatles.
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Reply #12 - 27. Apr 2010 at 20:26
 
Nah, it's just because most songs share the same chord progressions. Wink
 
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Reply #13 - 27. Apr 2010 at 20:30
 
Also, if any PT song sounds like the Beatles, it's the verse to How is Your Life Today.
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Reply #14 - 27. Apr 2010 at 22:06
 
Quote from airkuhl on 27. Apr 2010 at 20:30:
Also, if any PT song sounds like the Beatles, it's the verse to How is Your Life Today.

 
I can hear what you mean, but How Is Your Life Today sounds to me more like something that Procol Harum might have recorded.
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Reply #15 - 28. Apr 2010 at 02:25
 
Quote from airkuhl on 27. Apr 2010 at 20:30:
Also, if any PT song sounds like the Beatles, it's the verse to How is Your Life Today.
 
 
I've thought this before, too.
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Quote from dtismajesty on 24. Apr 2010 at 15:59:
Quote from bob_32_116 on 24. Apr 2010 at 15:38:
I hear no similarity at all between the end of The End and I Drive the Hearse, apart form the fact that they have about the same tempo.

The only PT song that has ever made me sit up and think "Beatles" is Four Chords That Made a Million, which to me sounds a little like both Taxman and And Your Bird Can Sing, off Revolver.

Just that one line! Listen to "Equal to the love you make" and "When I'm down I drive the hearse (the last one)" it's at least the same melody and harmony, the Incident was released practically on the 40th anniversary of Abbey Road, they are both the climatic enders to their albums, the Beatles are one of Steven's favorite bands, tell me there's not a chance that Steven was putting a little tribute in there!

Yes, I hear what you are talking about now - but as you say it's only one line, a progression of four or five notes. I think it's drawing a long bow to suggest that one was inspired by the other, even at the subconscious level.
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Reply #17 - 13. Jan 2012 at 20:23
 
E qual to the lu uh uh uh ove, you make.  VS  When I'm down I drive the-uh hearse.  
 
For Drive the Hearse to sound like the Beatles it would have to be:
 
When I'm down I dri i i i ive, the hearse.
 
Different phrasing.  I think the similarity is a descending scale.
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Reply #18 - 14. Jan 2012 at 08:00
 
Quote from whizzbang on 13. Jan 2012 at 20:23:

I think the similarity is a descending scale.

 
Exactly.
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Nobody has mentioned Access Denied from Recordings yet?
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Reply #20 - 15. Jan 2012 at 02:42
 
Quote from Kalebmation on 15. Jan 2012 at 00:19:
Nobody has mentioned Access Denied from Recordings yet?

I'll mention it.
 
"Access Denied".
 
Now tell us why you wanted it mentioned.
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Reply #21 - 15. Jan 2012 at 12:50
 
Lazarus has that Beatles feel.  I thought so the first time I heard it.
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Reply #22 - 15. Jan 2012 at 19:13
 
Quote from airkuhl on 27. Apr 2010 at 20:30:
Also, if any PT song sounds like the Beatles, it's the verse to How is Your Life Today.

 
I also think of the Beatles when I listen to this.  I'll put forward another.....
Sleep Together (the strings towards the end), and I Am The Walrus.  But this was discussed a lot at the time of FOABP's release.
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Reply #23 - 16. Jan 2012 at 07:30
 
To me, the verse part of "Baby Dream in Cellophane" could be a John Lennon tune...even sounds a little like him singing it (maybe he's NOT dead!   lips sealed).  That "Beatles/John Lennon" feel is lost, though, in the chorus.  I agree with "How is Your Life Today?" as another Beatlesesque tune.
 
I don't hear that much similarity with even that last line of "I Drive the Hearse", but I'm sure that the Beatles are an influence in this music in general - though maybe not a big one.
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Reply #24 - 20. Jan 2012 at 00:39
 
I was going to mention 'Access Denied' as well. The verses are VERY Beatles.
 
I actually think the vocal melody of the verse to 'Raider II' is also quite Beatles sounding - and please dont poiint out its sounds like Cirkus, i am aware of this already. I havent heard Cirkus yet but intend to.
 
I can see what you mean about Baby Dream as well.
 
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