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Message started by NightCreeper on 21. Jun 2011 at 18:27

Title: The next PT tour?
Post by NightCreeper on 21. Jun 2011 at 18:27

This is very very very pre-mature and I wouldn't take this as a guarantee. So let's not blow things out of proportion.

However, Gavin posted on the Modern Drummer forum the following:


Quote:
"I don't think I'll be performing in the UK again until next year with PT."


I would assume Fall 2012 if they do tour next year; with an album out around the same time. I honestly wasn't expecting a PT tour until 2013; so we'll see!

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by Hawklord on 21. Jun 2011 at 18:40


NightCreeper wrote:
This is very very very pre-mature and I wouldn't take this as a guarantee. So let's not blow things out of proportion.

However, Gavin posted on the Modern Drummer forum the following:


Quote:
"I don't think I'll be performing in the UK again until next year with PT."


I would assume Fall 2012 if they do tour next year; with an album out around the same time. I honestly wasn't expecting a PT tour until 2013; so we'll see!



Actually I think your right since you did not give an actual time of the season for the tour.

they finished 2010 with those 2 major shows in NYC and London. He did the Blackfield III album and tour  he is going to release his 2nd album in 2011  and since I have heard that there will be no tour to support his new solo album  then that leaves the rest of the time to get some New ideas for PT songs and start writing and recording.

I will say that knowing the time schedule for releasing new albums and touring it will be either fall or spring 2012. I can see that   Thats not jumping the gun that is a realisitic time frame now that does not mean that the band will follow that but also knowing that  Record labels they don't like a band to wait to long in releasing new stuff if there good  and there is a buzz about them 8-)

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by 4ctmam on 21. Jun 2011 at 19:54


Hawklord wrote:
they finished 2010 with those 2 major shows in NYC and London. He did the Blackfield III album and tour  he is going to release his 2nd album in 2011  and since I have heard that there will be no tour to support his new solo album  then that leaves the rest of the time to get some New ideas for PT songs and start writing and recording.


Don't forget about Storm Corrosion.

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by Shadowfax on 21. Jun 2011 at 22:11

Late 2012 for the next album is always kinda what I was expecting, and then I figured the tour would be either Fall 2012 or Spring 2013.  

I imagine they'll start writing late this year or maybe early next year.  

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by Hawklord on 21. Jun 2011 at 22:21


4ctmam wrote:
[quote author=Hawklord link=1308677275/0#1 date=1308678031]

they finished 2010 with those 2 major shows in NYC and London. He did the Blackfield III album and tour  he is going to release his 2nd album in 2011  and since I have heard that there will be no tour to support his new solo album  then that leaves the rest of the time to get some New ideas for PT songs and start writing and recording.


Don't forget about Storm Corrosion.[/quote]

Yes thanks for reminding me I did forget about Strom Corrosion (Doh :-[) As Homer Simpson would say)

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by 3cats on 01. Jul 2011 at 10:18

Hmmm this sounds good, but I hope that they don't feel under pressure from the label or whoever just to churn out new material just for the sake of keeping up the momentum as that could be prejudicial to quality  :-/

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by loucap81 on 01. Jul 2011 at 19:47

What's the longest PT have ever gone without touring, a year and a half? So I think Fall 2012 (which would put it right up against two years) is realistic. SW released Insurgentes in Feb. 2009 and they were on the road with a new album by Sept. 2009. So Fall 2012 would be a solid year's time to put out an album and prepare to hit the road again.

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by eatingalison on 01. Nov 2011 at 08:08

I am reliably informed that PT will be back in the studio in January 2012  :D

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by NightCreeper on 02. Nov 2011 at 17:16


eatingalison wrote:
I am reliably informed that PT will be back in the studio in January 2012  :D


Yup, and both Gavin and John Wesley have confirmed that they will be on tour with PT next year.

I love all the side projects, but nothing is better than PT and I cannot wait for some new material and the tour!

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by MuzaKWaHFreaK on 03. Nov 2011 at 05:37


NightCreeper wrote:
[quote author=eatingalison link=1308677275/0#7 date=1320134920]I am reliably informed that PT will be back in the studio in January 2012  :D


Yup, and both Gavin and John Wesley have confirmed that they will be on tour with PT next year.

I love all the side projects, but nothing is better than PT and I cannot wait for some new material and the tour![/quote]

Awesome!

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by clouds41 on 03. Nov 2011 at 19:40


NightCreeper wrote:
I love all the side projects, but nothing is better than PT and I cannot wait for some new material and the tour!


Before Grace for Drowning I would have agreed 100%; now I still agree, just not as much. I mean I love PT, very much, but Steven on his own is just fine. My only wish is for more writting by Colin, Richard, and Gavin...maybe even Wes.  :)

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by Ian_D on 04. Nov 2011 at 07:05

Q: When will you come to Hungary? :D
anyway thank you for your great music it helped me countless times.
A: I hope next year when I am on tour with Porcupine Tree, keep an eye out for us!

So said John Wesley in reply to a fans question on his site on Oct 26th!

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by Scots Pine on 04. Nov 2011 at 09:07


Ian_D wrote:
A: I hope next year when I am on tour with Porcupine Tree, keep an eye out for us!
 


Best post of the year!

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by xylem1 on 05. Nov 2011 at 01:46


clouds41 wrote:
My only wish is for more writting by Colin, Richard, and Gavin...maybe even Wes.  


Yes please. Steven has his solo project now and it's really taken off. Surely the other guys can start getting in on the act now?

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by pinktree1 on 12. Nov 2011 at 08:48

http://gunshyassassin.com/news/exclusive-why-i-think-porcupine-trees-breaking-up/  :o

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by Et in Arcadia Ego on 12. Nov 2011 at 09:00

To make matters worse, this is in complete correlation with what enjay said about him meeting with SW at the music store performance in this thread: http://www.porcupinetreeforum.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1316664705/75#75


I'm seriously scared now.

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by Simon on 12. Nov 2011 at 11:22

Not true - see my post elsewhere about this.

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by loucap81 on 12. Nov 2011 at 15:25

From the same website, posted today:


Quote:
UPDATE, 11/12, 9:00 a.m.: Leff contacted Gun Shy Assassin last night and said he was referring to the band’s new album when he was talking in the VIP section, not the band itself, and that “PT is NOT breaking up, and the band’s future is NOT in doubt.”


I don't understand how a potential new album could be in serious doubt, but the band's future not be in doubt. They've never toured without new material and I don't think SW would allow it now. Nor do I think the fans want them to tour without new material.

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by Et in Arcadia Ego on 12. Nov 2011 at 20:03


loucap81 wrote:
From the same website, posted today:


Quote:
UPDATE, 11/12, 9:00 a.m.: Leff contacted Gun Shy Assassin last night and said he was referring to the band’s new album when he was talking in the VIP section, not the band itself, and that “PT is NOT breaking up, and the band’s future is NOT in doubt.”


I don't understand how a potential new album could be in serious doubt, but the band's future not be in doubt. They've never toured without new material and I don't think SW would allow it now. Nor do I think the fans want them to tour without new material.



I agree, it does sound even more confusing now. Although, I think this is just misconception going further, there surely will be a new album.

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by dfbuem on 13. Nov 2011 at 09:56


Simon wrote:
Not true - see my post elsewhere about this.


Where is this elsewhere???
I've read this thread about the possible split yesterday, but now it has vanished.
Why???

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by brian_sever34 on 13. Nov 2011 at 21:30

http://www.porcupinetreeforum.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1316664705/89#89

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by RandalG on 20. Nov 2011 at 00:43

This would be sad news if true. Stranger things have happened though. I think I'll wait for the official announcement though.

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by delta_zero on 20. Nov 2011 at 06:53

SW just did an interview like, not even a week ago, where he said he was really enjoying himself on this solo tour, and that he was planning on doing a 2nd leg of it. He said in early 2012 PT would get back together to start discussing the next record. Pretty sure the original plan all along was to spend 2011 on his solo album and Blackfield, and then early next year begin work on the new PT album. It might get a slightly later start, but it seems like we're on target for what he's been saying for the past 2 years.

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by NightCreeper on 20. Nov 2011 at 19:09


delta_zero wrote:
SW just did an interview like, not even a week ago, where he said he was really enjoying himself on this solo tour, and that he was planning on doing a 2nd leg of it. He said in early 2012 PT would get back together to start discussing the next record. Pretty sure the original plan all along was to spend 2011 on his solo album and Blackfield, and then early next year begin work on the new PT album. It might get a slightly later start, but it seems like we're on target for what he's been saying for the past 2 years.


Yup and now that Nick Beggs has officially confirmed they'll be on tour again in April via facebook; that gives PT the first 3 months of the year to get together. So far on track.

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by brian_sever34 on 27. Nov 2011 at 21:30


NightCreeper wrote:
[quote author=delta_zero link=1308677275/0#22 date=1321772034]SW just did an interview like, not even a week ago, where he said he was really enjoying himself on this solo tour, and that he was planning on doing a 2nd leg of it. He said in early 2012 PT would get back together to start discussing the next record. Pretty sure the original plan all along was to spend 2011 on his solo album and Blackfield, and then early next year begin work on the new PT album. It might get a slightly later start, but it seems like we're on target for what he's been saying for the past 2 years.


Yup and now that Nick Beggs has officially confirmed they'll be on tour again in April via facebook; that gives PT the first 3 months of the year to get together. So far on track.[/quote]


Has PT became a side project now?   :-?


Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by xylem1 on 01. Dec 2011 at 19:20


brian_sever34 wrote:
[quote author=NightCreeper link=1308677275/0#23 date=1321816191][quote author=delta_zero link=1308677275/0#22 date=1321772034]SW just did an interview like, not even a week ago, where he said he was really enjoying himself on this solo tour, and that he was planning on doing a 2nd leg of it. He said in early 2012 PT would get back together to start discussing the next record. Pretty sure the original plan all along was to spend 2011 on his solo album and Blackfield, and then early next year begin work on the new PT album. It might get a slightly later start, but it seems like we're on target for what he's been saying for the past 2 years.


Yup and now that Nick Beggs has officially confirmed they'll be on tour again in April via facebook; that gives PT the first 3 months of the year to get together. So far on track.[/quote]


Has PT became a side project now?   :-?

[/quote]

If you think about it, PT started off as a side project to No-Man anyway.  ;)

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by NightCreeper on 10. Jan 2012 at 19:42

John Wesley answered a question on his Fanbridge account a few days ago and he said he hoped to return on tour with PT in 2013.

It seems that the band members are now getting the info from SW that writing/touring the next PT album is pushed back a bit.

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by sincity on 11. Jan 2012 at 21:35

Hmmmm. Not I will be on tour with PT in 2013- I hope to be. Positive but qualified.

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by MuzaKWaHFreaK on 13. Jan 2012 at 12:49

Still looking for even the smallest fragment of hope that PT will not release another album...  ::)

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by sincity on 13. Jan 2012 at 15:31


MuzaKWaHFreaK wrote:
Still looking for even the smallest fragment of hope that PT will not release another album...  ::)

Well Wes appeared to be saying he "hoped" to be on tour in 2013. Not I will be on tour. So, a possibilty, not definitely. The last activity from PT was the Albert Hall gig in October 2010. The Incident was released nearly 2 and a half years ago. Nothing confirmed this year  and the additional guitarist for live gigs isn't even sure they will be on tour next year?
I'm telling you man, PT IS finished- it has given SW the platform he needed to create the music he wants to, without compromise and entirely on his own terms.
My opinion has nothing to do with not wanting another album. I do, but it's not happening. I can live with that.
:-*To mix up a couple of lines from I Drive the Hearse;- " denial is another way of hoping it will go away"

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by MuzaKWaHFreaK on 13. Jan 2012 at 16:17


sincity wrote:
[quote author=MuzaKWaHFreaK link=1308677275/25#28 date=1326458984]Still looking for even the smallest fragment of hope that PT will not release another album...  ::)

Well Wes appeared to be saying he "hoped" to be on tour in 2013. Not I will be on tour. So, a possibilty, not definitely. The last activity from PT was the Albert Hall gig in October 2010. The Incident was released nearly 2 and a half years ago. Nothing confirmed this year  and the additional guitarist for live gigs isn't even sure they will be on tour next year?
I'm telling you man, PT IS finished- it has given SW the platform he needed to create the music he wants to, without compromise and entirely on his own terms.
My opinion has nothing to do with not wanting another album. I do, but it's not happening. I can live with that.
:-*To mix up a couple of lines from I Drive the Hearse;- " denial is another way of hoping it will go away"
[/quote]

Ok, NOW this is borderline trolling. So I'm denying what exactly? I understand both sides of the argument. But there is much more evidence supporting PT will continue on at this point. Just because there is no plan to go into the studio this year doesn't mean anything.

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by sincity on 13. Jan 2012 at 18:47

Now hang on  just a minute. You are deliberately following my posts on the subject of PT's future and making snarky comments and the one time I bite back you accuse me of trolling??
You have your opinion, I have mine. But don't continue to make comments like you have been and not expect me to respond with an edge

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by reedlover on 13. Jan 2012 at 19:00


MuzaKWaHFreaK wrote:
Still looking for even the smallest fragment of hope that PT will not release another album...  ::)

Now that's trolling.  ;)

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by loucap81 on 13. Jan 2012 at 19:04

Well I for one have conditioned myself for a PT breakup. I'm probably the only Van Halen fan here and after the torture I've endured with that band over the last 10 years (truly, no band treats their fans worse), I've gotten hardened to these things. Plus if PT does get back together it'll be that much more thrilling.

"I hope to be on tour" is a clear signal to me that the future of PT is up in the air. SW said it himself, "I don't know when or if I'm going to do that again." At least he's being candid and I have to respect him for that.

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by MuzaKWaHFreaK on 13. Jan 2012 at 20:04


sincity wrote:
Now hang on  just a minute. You are deliberately following my posts on the subject of PT's future and making snarky comments and the one time I bite back you accuse me of trolling??
You have your opinion, I have mine. But don't continue to make comments like you have been and not expect me to respond with an edge


The trolling comment had nothing to do with you "biting back."

But anyways I think this is getting pretty ridiculous. I'm not one to argue online with random people so I think I'll bow out of this one because it is going nowhere. I am sorry if you feel I disrespected you, it was not my intent. I offer my acknowledgement of your line of thinking, even if I don't agree with it. I hope we can just let this one go :)

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by whizzbang on 13. Jan 2012 at 20:07

If they don't get together again, I wonder if Barbieri, Harrison and Edwin can carry on with a new guitar player?

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by blaarev on 13. Jan 2012 at 21:17


whizzbang wrote:
If they don't get together again, I wonder if Barbieri, Harrison and Edwin can carry on with a new guitar player?

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by whizzbang on 13. Jan 2012 at 23:45

I was serious about that.  Anyone remember Gilmour replacing Barrett (sort of) or Buckingham replacing Green, or Morse replacing Blackmore, or, or, or.  In most of those cases the band actually got better.

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by DesertChaos on 14. Jan 2012 at 00:01


whizzbang wrote:
If they don't get together again, I wonder if Barbieri, Harrison and Edwin can carry on with a new guitar player?



Aviv Geffen!! ;) ;D

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by MuzaKWaHFreaK on 14. Jan 2012 at 00:58


whizzbang wrote:
I was serious about that.  Anyone remember Gilmour replacing Barrett (sort of) or Buckingham replacing Green, or Morse replacing Blackmore, or, or, or.  In most of those cases the band actually got better.


I don't think they would use the name Porcupine Tree. Even though Barrett started Pink Floyd, it never went on long enough for it to be "his" band. Porcupine Tree is not Porcupine Tree without Steven Wilson.

But then again, Alice in Chains kept their name so you never know...

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by loucap81 on 14. Jan 2012 at 06:26


whizzbang wrote:
If they don't get together again, I wonder if Barbieri, Harrison and Edwin can carry on with a new guitar player?


Yeah I shudder to think what that would sound like, especially if they actually tried to play the old PT songs.

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by loucap81 on 14. Jan 2012 at 06:35


MuzaKWaHFreaK wrote:
[quote author=whizzbang link=1308677275/25#37 date=1326498346]I was serious about that.  Anyone remember Gilmour replacing Barrett (sort of) or Buckingham replacing Green, or Morse replacing Blackmore, or, or, or.  In most of those cases the band actually got better.


I don't think they would use the name Porcupine Tree. Even though Barrett started Pink Floyd, it never went on long enough for it to be "his" band. Porcupine Tree is not Porcupine Tree without Steven Wilson.

But then again, Alice in Chains kept their name so you never know...[/quote]

The difference is that Jerry Cantrell is a huge part of AIC, certainly as big as Layne Staley was. In a situation where you have two equal contributors, you can get away with it. Especially if the guy that departed was more lyric-oriented than music-oriented.

In PT, 90% of the lyrics AND music is done by one guy. Actually has ANYONE other than Alan Duffy written PT lyrics besides SW? Anyway, the other band members deserve some credit for steering SW in the direction the band has taken over the years and providing the muscle and grit behind the operation, but the two most important organs, the brain and the heart, are 100% SW.

Edwin, Harrison and Barbieri with some schmo on guitar, calling themselves "Porcupine Tree," would be ALMOST as farcical as "Nine Inch Nails" without Trent Reznor.

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by katxron40 on 14. Jan 2012 at 06:46


whizzbang wrote:
I was serious about that.  Anyone remember Gilmour replacing Barrett (sort of) or Buckingham replacing Green, or Morse replacing Blackmore, or, or, or.  In most of those cases the band actually got better.


Ummmm, Morse belongs with Dixie Dregs, who by the way I love and have seen on several occasions.

DP isn't/wasn't DP without Blackmore.

Just me opining.

I can understand SW wanting to break from peoples PT expectations but still perform dynamic music. KCs music (not only Lizard) has a profound influence on GfD.

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by dfbuem on 14. Jan 2012 at 15:32


loucap81 wrote:
Edwin, Harrison and Barbieri with some schmo on guitar, calling themselves "Porcupine Tree," would be ALMOST as farcical as "Nine Inch Nails" without Trent Reznor.  


... or Marillion without Fish.

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by 4ctmam on 15. Jan 2012 at 01:22


dfbuem wrote:
[quote author=loucap81 link=1308677275/41#41 date=1326522926]Edwin, Harrison and Barbieri with some schmo on guitar, calling themselves "Porcupine Tree," would be ALMOST as farcical as "Nine Inch Nails" without Trent Reznor.  


... or Marillion without Fish.[/quote]

Not nearly. Fish was the singer and lyricist in the band. He didn't write any music, he never did, actually.

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by DesertChaos on 15. Jan 2012 at 01:41

Van der Graaf Generator without Peter Hammill
or
Mott the Hoople without Ian Hunter
or
Roxy Music without Bryan Ferry
or
Be Bop Deluxe without Bill Nelson

and so on.....

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by dfbuem on 15. Jan 2012 at 09:43


4ctmam wrote:
Not nearly. Fish was the singer and lyricist in the band. He didn't write any music, he never did, actually.  


;)

He was the charisma, the stage presence and the spice of the band.
Take away the fish and what remains is a bunch of soft boiled British vegetable.


Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by Simon on 15. Jan 2012 at 17:44


dfbuem wrote:
[quote author=4ctmam link=1308677275/44#44 date=1326590539]Not nearly. Fish was the singer and lyricist in the band. He didn't write any music, he never did, actually.  


;)

He was the charisma, the stage presence and the spice of the band.
Take away the fish and what remains is a bunch of soft boiled British vegetable.

[/quote]

Opinions expressed as facts again.  ::)

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by MuzaKWaHFreaK on 15. Jan 2012 at 19:09


Simon wrote:
[quote author=dfbuem link=1308677275/25#46 date=1326620615][quote author=4ctmam link=1308677275/44#44 date=1326590539]Not nearly. Fish was the singer and lyricist in the band. He didn't write any music, he never did, actually.  


;)

He was the charisma, the stage presence and the spice of the band.
Take away the fish and what remains is a bunch of soft boiled British vegetable.

[/quote]

Opinions expressed as facts again.  ::)
[/quote]

It's unreasonable to expect people to be reasonable  :D

Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by dfbuem on 15. Jan 2012 at 19:50


Simon wrote:
Opinions expressed as facts again.


In my humble opinion the function of a forum is to let people express their different opinions. Obviously my opinion on that issue is completely contrary to yours.

I would really appreciate if you would explain to me why you complain about me expressing my opinion which is just my opinion and in no way expressed as facts while everybody else's opinion is just fine.

The only reason I would understand is that my opinion is completely offtopic. But if you complain about that you'll have to complain about three quarters of the posts in this forum.


Quote:
three quarters


oh, this figure is not a fact, just my impression  ;)


Title: Re: The next PT tour?
Post by katxron40 on 16. Jan 2012 at 02:27


Simon wrote:
Opinions expressed as facts again.


I got yelled at the last time I pulled that quote on someone here ;D

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